The Whedonites Attack

March 26, 2008

A post I made ages ago A Rapist’s View of the World: Joss Whedon and Firefly has been linked to by a Joss Whedon fan site. I can’t figure out where the link is but any way it generated a lot of traffic and many funny comments. I’ve deleted most of them because they were mostly completely pointless attacks but this particular comment was so funny that I had to share.

Fuck you you assuredly ugly bull-dyke. Whedon has done more for women and equality than you ever could. He just stops at equality instead of extending it to the misandrystic matriarchy that you want. You’re just bitter because all the women you fall for leave you as soon as they realize that, despite your looks, you aren’t a man. It’s absurd to expect someone with a military background to not address the Captain as “sir.” I agree that Zeo did not get enough characterization, but it was a large ensemble cast that only lasted for 15 episodes. You can’t expect the entire cast to be completely characterized that fast. I actually can’t read the rest of this no matter how hard I try because I am rendered physically ill by your bigotry and logical fallacies. Go kill yourself and raise the average IQ of the globe substantially.

I feel quite flattered actually. I think I might put that description of myself on my about page. Assuredly ugly bull-dyke. I think it has a nice ring. It suits me.

Anyways, the wonderful interest that the post generated has got me in the mood for writing the second installment of my A Rapist’s View of the World. I’ve written half already and will probably get it finished by the end of the week. Watch this space.


  1. You know it’s funny, but I don’t actually remember a character called Zeo in the show…I guess this poor man was so traumatised by your terrible, hateful attack on little innocent Joss that he was temporarily incapacitated. Or something.

    Funny how there’s not enough time to properly characterise all the characters in the show, so it’s naturally the female characters who miss out…just random chance, of course. Nothing to do with woman-hatred.

    Also funny how Mal just ‘happens’ to be Zoe’s superior officer, which means that she just ‘happens’ to have to call him sir. Completely random. Just chance. Not at all a nostalgic glance back to the good old days when those uppity black women knew their place.

    Ah yes, that’s right. The reason Joss is such a good ‘feminist’ is that he doesn’t actually give a crap about women, he’s all about fighting for the poor little men. We need ‘feminists’ like Joss to keep ugly dykes like us from taking over the world.

  2. Assuredly ugly! It does have a nice ring to it. Kind of like,

    “Unhampered by propriety, niceness, discretion, public opinion, `morals’, the respect of assholes, always funky, dirty, low-down SCUM gets around.”


  3. I commented on your post there, and while I disagree with pretty well everything you said, I also disagree with the more extreme comments you received. I think the problem here, and all over the place, is extremism. Everyone needs to move a little closer to the center before they’ll actually be able to see each other. I’d be very interested in having a meaningful dialogue with you. I’ve never encountered such extreme feminism before, and I don’t understand it. This isn’t an attack on it, but honest confusion.

  4. It was linked here and here

  5. So sorry you’ve been attacked, allecto, that’s never much fun, but I’m glad you can see the funny side.

    And I’m very much looking forward to the next installment! 🙂 xx

  6. What a pathetic troll! How on earth can a grown man get so childishly vicious over a difference of opinion about a TV show? I’m also amazed that said troll had the capability of taking his hand off his dick long enough to write the comment.

    What is ‘misandrystic’ anyway? Sounds magical: ‘I cast my misandrystic web on you’ or something 😛

  7. eh, sorry for the grammatical crapness in that last post…

  8. http://community.livejournal.com/sf_drama/684526.html – this will explain some of it. someone posted about it, mocking you in stupidfree drama on lj 😦

  9. I think a large part of the influx may come from the fireflyfans community on LJ:

    Notably from these two posts, the latter of which pointed me here:

  10. whoo…i just put in some, possibly futile, work trying to defend you…and andrea dworkin.

  11. Hey, I found your site through the stupid_free drama. I’m really glad you wrote that. When you attack any kind of nerd community fanbase, that kind of thing will happen. A long time ago my blogging partner wrote a rant against Roller Derby (actually, she was responding to another conversation that was going on via some other blogs) and we still get a lot of spam from that.

    And demonista, I strongly, strongly suggest not bothering. LJ feminists are usually very young and very pro-porn, and that’s just the ones that call themselves “feminists.” The ones that won’t, of course, are also very young and very pro-porn, but they’ll tell you to “fuck off, cunt” along with calling you a “bad feminist” or whatever.

  12. Maybe this would explain why I’ve had so many hits from that article (where I commented) recently.

    “Whedonites”!!!<for that you win.

    Intellectual arguments always piss of people the most. They are *truly* the most insulting.

    Not bad for a “bull-dyke.”

  13. I noticed that. I checked my email today, and there were a few comments in reply to stuff I’d commented about over there.
    One of them was a “I don’t like you people who analyze race when there’s no need to. You read race into everything” person.

    Yuck, yuck yuck.

  14. Ack! It seems to have made Fandom Wank as well. At least this probably marks the high point for stupid/insulting comments on your post.

    I’m sorry you have to deal with all that, but I am glad we’ll finally get to see that second installment 🙂

  15. Thanks sisters for the support. By the goddess, there have been over 700 comments just on that one post. I can’t believe there are so many people out there with so much time to waste.

    Dissenter, yep I found that chance thing pretty funny too. You know Joss didn’t actually write the show. the characters fell from heaven into his brain. Joss isn’t sexist, god is.

    Hi badgerbag and welcome. Yes I quite like the epithet.

    Debs, no it isn’t fun being attacked but as a Radical Feminist I think I am going to have to get used to it.

    Laurelin, lol!

    Demonista, yea gads don’t feed the trolls woman!!! They’ll keep on coming, like a steam train.

    Hi Edith and welcome. Yes I know. Fandom peoples are incredibly over-protective of their prescious Fandom Gods. Must not insult the god of Whedonites. Bad feminist, no cookie.

    Pisaquari, I hope you aren’t getting attacked because of me. If you want me to delete the comment you left on that post, I can.

    ispower welcome, goodness I couldn’t count the times that fans told me that it was all in my head. That I was projecting sexism etc, etc. You are very right, yuck.

    Keen, I think it is everywhere now. I think I’m going to be dealing with the fallout from this for a LONG time. Sigh. As if I don’t have better things to do with my time than delete comment from my journal.

  16. This all makes me very sad.

  17. Count me among those waiting to see your next installment, should you choose to post it. I had not considered many of the issues you bring up in Firefly, and found it to be rather thought-provoking.

  18. I’m glad to see at least SOMEONE has noticed the glaring contradictions between Whedon’s work and his words.

  19. Huh…I never looked at Firefly that way…honestly i’m surprised you drew the conclusions you did.

    Roughly how many Browncoats have you had to delete by this point?

    Also what is your stance on the women who chose to become Geisha and courtesans back in old Europe and ancient Japan?

  20. Courtesans are just nicer terms for the same industries of control.

  21. Christine, me too.

    Lurker, thanks and welcome. Still working on the second part.

    Kitty, hundreds.

    Diana, welcome. Yep, I found it pretty hard not to notice. And I totally agree re. courtesans.

  22. While I must say that I completely disagreed with your entry on Firefly, I am nonetheless concerned by the way people have often reacted to you.

    Sexism is, of course, rife on the internet. While the ideal of the internet has always been that people would all be equal in their anonymity, what is actually the case is that everyone is presumed to be a white male until saying otherwise. The moment a woman affirms her gender she is likely to be approached in an entirely different way and if a woman’s photo is put online it is likely to be commented on in a sexual way.

    This reply you’ve shown us to your Firefly blog entry is quite a nasty example. Asides from the horrible referral to your appearance (which they haven’t seen and which is completely irrelevant to the issue) in the first line. They later seem to elude to the male sexual fantasy that lesbians are just women who haven’t discovered men yet (hence why your girlfriend would be upset to find out you are not male).

    They are, of course, absolutely wrong to say that Zoe didn’t have enough opportunity to gain a full character in 15 episodes. However, I’d argue that she has a reserved character which, oddly enough, is more often found in male characters. She is official, commanding, but doesn’t make a point of chattering a lot – making her a contrast to the bubbly and more typically ‘girly’ Kaylee (who, contrary to the popular ‘girly’ stereotypes, is an engineer).

    Far from using your comments on Firefly as an excuse to insult your appearance or to make vulgar sexual comments. I wish you all the best.

    P.S. I think you must have deleted my comments by mistake when I first posted this.

    This comment has been edited. -allecto

  23. Fatpie,

    I deleted your comment because it is very rude to tell someone that you don’t know the slightest thing about that they have ‘issues’ and that people should feel sorry for them. My only ‘issue’ is male supremacy and white supremacy; when they end, my oppression will end.

    I also deleted your comment because you tried to justify Joss Whedon’s portrayal of prostitution. I do not allow male apologist arguements here. If you want to offer support to male supremacy please do it elsewhere.

    I will only allow your comment here in its edited form. If you have a problem with that then I can delete it. Thanks.

  24. Rock on!

    Don’t let all the Whedon fanboys get you down. I agree with 98% of what you said. Firefly is a horrible show, laden with cliches, stereotypes, and other hallmarks of outright lazy writing.

    I was discussing your post in another lj community, and one woman pointed out that Inara is the white ‘liberal’ man’s ideal prostitute:

    “Because they do seem to really want a woman who’s in it because she enjoys sex (thus alleviating guilt complexes) and one who’s high class and educated and not trying to feed a family (because then you don’t need to worry about the power inequality or the real sex trade).”

  25. Thanks, Kat. I’m really glad to hear that the post has sparked off discussions in other feminist communities.

  26. I hadn’t looked at Firefly in that way. And now reading this, I think you could be right!

    Whedon obviously isn’t perfect (I especially don’t like the violence in the show) However, I do think that there are a lot of good things in that series and movie. I would love to see the characters develop more–all of them, female and male.

  27. Hello, there.

    I was wondering if you would be willing to contact me, if that is at all possible. You have disabled comments from anonymous and non-friend users on your LJ and, as I do not have an LJ and have no current wish to obtain one, I have no means of contacting you.

    I have a few points I am dying to make, and not being able to reach you is rather frustrating, I must say. I assure you, I am not going to preach to you, nor am I eager to rant. I simply want to engage in conversation, as some of your views [particularly concerning Joss Whedon’s Firefly] have piqued my interest and I wish to discuss them with you.

    I would appreciate it immensely if you were to contact me. If you choose not to, however, I understand completely.


  28. Hi Alyson. If you want to email me my email is: allectospoison at yahoo dot com dot au

    Or you can leave a comment here.

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